What a novel idea, another bar on Allen and a generic one at that.
of course it was going to be a bar. im happy to have a bar over a closed business. im not a big chippewa person and like having allentown to hang out at. good move with the flying bison!
Zen, you're welcome to open whatever business you want that is not a bar.
Perhaps he should consider a name that reflects the location and is a play on words. My suggestion would be "The Bend of the Road."
Perhaps we should do more to condone alcoholism and DWI in Buffalo. We should put as much emphasis on protesting the bars as we did on protesting the casino. They are both evading tax payments for Buffalo, and they both prey on the poor and desperate.
Actually you moron busybee... Having more bars around cuts DOWN on DWI because people WILL walk to their corner bar rather than drive because everyone knows that DWI is very serious. And I dont consider myself poor or desperate, but I go to bars.
wow busybee i didnt think such close minded people would have any interest in such a positive informative site.
sorry.. Jay good luck to you and your new investment... Kudos to anyone investing in buffalo
The problem with DWI is most people live in suburban / sprawled areas where you can't walk anyplace, even a bar. It is not alcohols problem people make choices. Good luck with the bar! I will have to check it out, once it has Flying Bison that is.
A British euphuism for being driven nuts (insane) is…
“Driven around the bend” such as he/she almost drove me around the bend
Might want to consider this for a possible name!
More drinking options on the west end of Allen is never a bad thing. Something new for those who might tire of the Pink, Brick Bar, and Hardware on any given night.
I noticed it the other day on the way to the Gate. Basic is beautiful. Keep it clean and you may do well. Beer on tap is good also.
More businesses the better. Let's hope the overhead is low and that the drinks stay full.
Lets hope the Allentown Gestapo doesnt get in the way. Those Day's Park residents seem to have problems with any businesses along Allen Street. However, I look forward to getting a Flying Bison on tap there! Cheers
Bars do not prey on the poor and desperate. They are places to socialize, meet people, see some live music, watch sporting events, etc. Busybee, perhaps you should come out from behind your computer and see what's going on in the world. You might be surprised that not all patrons of bars are raging alcoholics minutes away from mowing over unsuspecting pedestrians and fellow drivers.
I wish my best to Jay and will stop in as soon as I have a chance, but this does look like most of the other bars that opened and closed in that same block. Is there a differntiator that I am missing, or is this just another corner tavern?
Drinking in bars and gambling in casinos are very similar.
Both can be, and are sometimes, addictive or abused by some people even to the point of destroying innocent lives. And both can be analyzed statistically in ways that claim to show harm to society in general, and the poor.
However it’s also true that many responsible adults enjoy having the freedom to voluntarily enjoy these activities.
So I’m all in agreement with commenters above who take busybee to task about this, but isn’t it ironic that when it comes to casino gambling so many people on BR (not saying the same people) are just as extreme and closed minded as her condemnation of drinking in bars?
By the way to answer malooga's question, yes before being Franks this place was Jupiter Room.
You can add cigarettes, taxes and religion to SerenityNow's list...
How about just... "Bend."
Serenity Now,
People have more reasons to be opposed to a casino rather than bars.
One of many is unfair competition. The fact that you can smoke inside a casino puts other places at a disadvantage. Also, casinos can offer a buffet with a slim profit margin, since they'll make up for it with gambling revenues from the diners.
The fact that you can smoke inside a casino puts other places at a disadvantage.
Fudgeworth, according to the "experts", banning smoking in bars and restaurants was supposed to help their amount of business, not hurt it. So if that's true a casino will only be only hurting itself by allowing smoking. If that's really the concern, the state could simply legalize non-Indian casinos and leave it up to them whether to allow smoking. Viola, level playing field. Seriously, you know the big reasons cited against casios are nannyish type things, not side issues.
casinos can offer a buffet with a slim profit margin, since they'll make up for it with gambling revenues from the diners.
But quite a few bars have free food buffets during happy hour, or very cheap wings during games, stuff like that, and of course they make up difference and then some via margins on their main product, alcohol, just as casinos do via gambling margins.
I've never heard anyone cite that as a reason to protest against bars (or maybe busybee would). Anyhow, that's not too different a concept from casinos having cheap food and making up the difference via gambling profits.
By far the majority of arguments casino opponents use are moralistic complaints about harm to society and the poor. But when one person one time on here, busybee, used these same arguments against drinking at bars, just look at how many people (rightly so) had a cow. There's a lot of inconsistency going on.
Taxation is the fuel that powers the system, our system really isn't too bad, it just needs repair. Eliminate the waste , patronage, graft, and ego, and our taxes could be less an issue. The animal just needs to be tamed. When the system works, every thing is cool. The heat is the friction of maladjustment and discontentment.
The state can not simply legalize casinos. It requires a change to the state constitution which reguires 2/3 majority votes for two consecutive legilatures, public referendums etc. (or somthing like that) which is why it never happened.
Pataki's solution: a behind the scenes runaround giving casino rights to a single sovergn nation with a pitance in return, especially for the city that has to host the parasite. Its not like this is Ontario where the government owns the casinos and sees all the profits to reuse for the "public interest."
I am all for personal responsibility, be it at a bar or a casino or anywhere. But at least the bars compete against each other and pay fair taxes. Anyone has the opportunity to open a bar or serve alcohol.
The current casino compact is like allowing the Seneca's to be the only ones to operate bars/serve alcohol while only only taxing a portion of the draft beer revenues, and then only giving 25% of that back to the city. Quite the crap deal.
MJ.. a few points of clarification. In 1831 the US Supreme Court (in two separate decisions) made the determination that Indian tribes were "Independent Political Communities" with natural rights that predated the European Colonization of America. By extension of this decision, certain jurisdictional rights were declared to be ones with which no state could interfere. Through this and other rulings limit the state's regulation of tribal activities including casinos. In 1987, a US Supreme Court ruling known as the Gabazon decision expanded the rights of sovereign Indian nations, which ultimately led to Congress passing the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA) in 1988. This act is designed to further the development of the Indian Nations by supporting programs that increase economic development, tribal self-sufficiency, sovereignty of indigenous people, and the creation of stronger tribal governments.
The State of New York has little to do with this, in fact the only thing that they can do now is to legalize gambling for non-indians. In 1994, Pataki decided to side with the native tribes to legalize gambling in the hopes that it would improve tourism and commerce for the blighted upstate regions, including Buffalo. He actually tried to do the right thing for this area; however there are a lot of closed minded people who feel that only churches and the state should have their hands in the gambling racket.
If you have a complaint about the casinos, you should probably petition to the State to allow all residents the right to open one if they want. That way we could have the casinos compete against each other on the open market, much like the bars. The sovereign nations will have a lock on this type of gambling, with the state and churches being the only viable competition until the state law changes.
It requires a change to the state constitution which reguires 2/3 majority votes for two consecutive legilatures, public referendums etc.
Sigh. Everyone knows. Everyone knows.
But yes, what you've layed out would be an improvement. And the Seneca deal wasn't unilateral by Pataki. Majorities in both houses of the legislature approved it. So yes some work to get the 2/3 approval would still be needed for two years, but that hardly seems impossible since majorities are clearly not opposed to some legalized gambling on principle. About the referendum, every public opinion poll I've seen favors by solid majorites legalizing gambling so it's very likely the voters would not reject this.
If they try the above and just can't get it done, then current various deals with tribes across the state, including the deal Spitzer recently approved with Mohawks elsewhere upstate, will have to be lived with even though full legalization would be much better. Spitzer should push for it. But if it doesn't happen, then at least people have some improved freedom with tribe-owned casinos and this should cut down on money for to Ontario for this.
Sound like we agree the morality-based arguments of the anti-casino groups are as bogus as the anti-bar diatribe which started this whole thing.
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