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  1. BlackRockAdvocate

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    Mar 19th 2007, 15:57

    Wow what a great opportunity to own a piece of history and be a part of that history imagine 100 years from now when the story is told of the person that saved this homestead. The story with every home in every corner of the city is great and if you know it or not you are a part of that history. Some of the funds set aside for demolition each year need to be put into securing these city owned property's before they fall into disrepair striped and burn down or torn down at a substantial cost to the city as much as 8,10,12,15 Thousand Dollars per Demo and then that house truly is HISTORY.

    B.R.A

  2. JohnMartin

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    Mar 19th 2007, 16:03

    "Buffalo's history deserves a better fait. You could own a tangible piece of that history and help build the city's future with a house like this."

    Here's an idea! Why doesn't Dave Steele move to Buffalo and fix the house up himself? He could show that he truly loves Buffalo by, ya know, actually living and working here.

  3. STEEL

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    Mar 19th 2007, 16:15

    Maybe I will do just that John, when the opportunity is available to me. In the mean time let's hope that this building finds a loving owner real fast.

  4. JohnMartin

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    Mar 19th 2007, 16:36

    Until you do, these posts are empty endorsements of a city you choose not to live in.

  5. thinkBuffalo

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    Mar 19th 2007, 16:54

    I love this "if you don't live here, you can't say anything" mindset.

    JohnMartin - do you have an opinion on the Iraq war? Or do you have to live in Iraq to have an opinion on that topic?

    I'm trying to think of something dumber and more parochial than the notion that you can only have opinions on developments in your current zip code. . . but I'm at a loss.

    Thanks JM, for setting a new record for idiotic blog comments. That's no easy feat.

  6. mattb

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    Mar 19th 2007, 17:27

    I don't think JM will find much support on this site for those comments. Buffalo has lost of wealth of working professionals through the years - and while we'd love for more to move back to town, I for one certainly won't criticize someone taking the time to make quality contributions to this site as STEEL does.

    Careers often take people to cities they may not choose to live in...and to suggest that someone doesn't deserve to engage in discussion about Buffalo's revitalization simply b/c they're not here right now is wrong.

  7. Spoiled

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    Mar 19th 2007, 17:34

    Good story ...

    To write an article about available & salvageable buildings gives people like me..local house owner ... a chance to think about reinvesting in Buffalo in ways other than just shopping at local businesses or donating to a local cause.

  8. JohnMartin

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    Mar 19th 2007, 18:06

    You guys are an insular and defensive group, aren't you? What's so wrong about asking someone to make a real commitment to Buffalo by moving home? I picked up and came back to Buffalo a few years ago with wife and children in tow and started my own company. I'm not a big believer in circumstance, if you want to do something, you make it happen.

    Does David live in Chicago by choice? Yes.

    Does David love Buffalo? Yes.

    Does David have intentions of exercising that Buffalo Love and moving home? I don't know.

    That's why I asked. He is free to say what he wants, but until he makes the commitment to being here and actually making a difference, ihis posts are empty endorsements. I don't care if I find "support for my comments", it's my own opinion, so deal with it.

    Ironically enough, the commenters here seem to take issue with those who choose to live in the suburbs of Buffalo yet give a free pass to the BRO writers who live in other parts of the country by choice.

  9. thinkBuffalo

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    Mar 19th 2007, 18:57

    So in other words, you do indeed believe that you have to live in the region to have an opinion on developments there?

    I wonder - how far does this regional restriction reach? If I live in Clarence, can I have write a post about the East Side? Are you okay as long as you live in the same county, or is it area code based, or some other geographic scope?

    I'm fascinated, so help me understand the details.

  10. bradon

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    Mar 19th 2007, 19:16

    I find it ironic that the same people who criticize suburban residents come to the defense of someone who lives in another state. I have read numerous comments on this board that condemn anyone who chooses to live in the suburbs; yet we praise someone who lives in another state all together. I care deeply about Buffalo and I like this site, but it is ruled by a very tight fraternity.

  11. StreetcarSuburbanite

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    Mar 19th 2007, 19:40

    What's architecturally so special about this particular house? It's got a good degree ornamental glaze found on a lot of other houses in the city. Under that it's the same old wooden box found all over Buffalo.

  12. DMD

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    Mar 19th 2007, 19:44

    Chew on this JohnMartin...I LIVE on this street, I have BOUGHT and REHABED my house and STEEL has done more than 99.9% of anyone out there to bring attention to Buffalo and its magnificent housing stock. His articles are valid, articulate and eye opening to many in the city and out. This house is fantastic. Although, this may not be a lily white neighborhood, I love it dearly and whoever finds solace in those walls will have some of the BEST neighbors on the planet. I have been here six years and counting and the transformation of the area has been incredible. I encourage everyone I encounter to check out this neighborhood, look at these lovely homes and own a piece of craftsmanship, history, community and something you can never find in any other city for such a price.

  13. thinkBuffalo

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    Mar 19th 2007, 20:10

    Bradon -

    I assume when you say 'the same people' who criticize suburban residents come to the defense of someone who lives in another state, you actually mean 'totally different people,' as no one on this thread seems to have bashed suburb dwellers in the past.

    That would have been a good argument, but it's entirely made up, which kind of takes away the punch.

  14. BlackRockAdvocate

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    Mar 19th 2007, 20:39

    What's architecturally so special about this particular house?

    I don't believe anybody said it was "Architecturally Special" just that it has some history and is availably. Under that it's not like the same old McMansion's found all over outside Buffalo.

  15. JohnMartin

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    Mar 19th 2007, 20:43

    thinkbuffalo, the argument is "made up" if you ignore the previous two years of steady suburbanite bashing by the community here at BRO. Your argument is akin to disproving global warming by saying it's a cold day in June.

    Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me that there hasn't been a steady stream of suburb bashing here? Not necessarily by the authors, but by the community? If so, I'd like to join you wherever it is that you have your head in the sand...

  16. thinkBuffalo

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    Mar 19th 2007, 21:23

    Oh, so by 'same people' he actually meant other people on this website. I gotcha. It was hard to follow, as I was actually reading the words.

    Get back to me on your geographic rules for who can and can't write articles. I'm still very fascinated.

  17. UrbanBody

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    Mar 19th 2007, 21:26

    ...ok kids, place nice and go back to your respective corners.

    Back on topic: Steel, how much to take ownership of this type of property? What basics need replacing or repair? It would be good to have that frame to know what kind of dollars we're talking about.

    Thanks.

  18. DMD

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    Mar 19th 2007, 21:47

    Listen, I don't care where anyone lives. Granted, I am a city person and I am fighting alot of stupid prejudices not only from suburbanites but also out-of-towners too, like I was throwing money away buying my house, that I would be broken into and raped, that the neighborhood was useless. Yeah...well, bite me. My house rocks, my neighbors are great, and people are begging to get houses near me. So yeah, I can get alittle touchy from time to time. But this is not the article to do your bitching. Lets talk about the house. It has a bit of urban camoflague but I heard the interior was incredible and it hasn't been broken into tiny units. It sits very high and you may even squeak out a view of the lake. It has a wonderful southern exposure. It is BIG. If you want room to run, this house has it. There will be a new developement next to it that will surely raise the value of the property. I am excited to see this article and have it garner interest. It will be a handful but the pay off of having such a grand house will be worth it.

  19. scooter

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    Mar 19th 2007, 22:15

    I love to hear about people like DMB (& potential buyers of this home)...

    They were crazy enough to buy into these city neighborhoods that none of us would even think of living in......elmwood, allentown, west side, river side, ect. Now they are the hip, cool, smart, nicest places to live in WNY.

    They bought these houses cheap, made some improvements and now they have some of the highest property values in WNY.

    God bless the people brave enough to take a chance on our older, neglect neighborhoods and save them for generations to come.

    Thank you!

  20. bradon

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    Mar 19th 2007, 22:44

    Highest property values in WNY? Spare us please! There are a hundred other neighborhoods in WNY that blow this neighborhood away in regards to property values. The neighbors want someone to invest in the derelict properties that keep their property values and the desirability of the neighborhood down. There is no altruistic intent, and they are far from heroes for buying a beat up house in a crappy neighborhood. Just like the East Buffalo article, there are a few people who want to secure their investment by convincing others to "come on in, the water is great".

  21. MrLightmaker

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    Mar 19th 2007, 23:14

    To whom it may concern..... I am currently managing the refurbish of a property on the west side. The residence was acquired at the October Foreclosure Auction. The owner is a resident of New York City. My point is that it doesn't matter where you live, what it boils down to is that the acquisition must be economically sound. We have to get used to the idea that many of these properties can't get financing and therefore won't get lived in. We can't count on people falling in love with the architecture and history of an old victorian and saving the structure no matter what the cost. No single individual will take the risk.....but...a group of concerned neighbors could organize and combine their resources and perhaps save a building like 288 Hudson. Any thoughts???

  22. STEEL

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    Mar 20th 2007, 00:02

    UrbanBody,

    For more information on this property and other unique and available houses in this neighborhood contact Chris Brown of the KCA. His email and phone number are in the original story. He lives in Buffalo, loves Buffalo, and is making a big difference in this neighborhood.

  23. Sal

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    Mar 20th 2007, 09:44

    Thanks STEEL and Chris for the informative article.

  24. Lucia

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    Mar 20th 2007, 10:42

    Streetcar Suburbanite asked: " What's architecturally so special about this particular house? It's got a good degree ornamental glaze found on a lot of other houses in the city. Under that it's the same old wooden box found all over Buffalo. "

    When I was a little girl, I used to work contstruction jobs with my father (he built houses from scratch ). I used to have to hand him the hammer when I was reall tiny, then I graduated to doing the insulation and finishing off the drywall. I watched those homes being carefully put together with woods, molding, fixtures, chandelliers, etc of a quality that cannot be found today in the average home. Even the modest homes were built with quality 2 by 4's and REAL peices of plywood , and real hardwood floors - not the pressed board used as plywood today -and that the fake- low quality flooring being put down in some homes. REAL brass that were works of art were used to make door knobs, knob plates, REAL copper piping, etc I've also watch the huge high price homes go up in Clarence, Orchard Park and even in the city and I've watched the prefab pressedboard walls being drooped off (all put together in advance some other location). I 've seen all the low quality materials and work being done on these $400,00 - $500,00 new homes and I ask myself WHY. Why do we have to be a world were we tear down perfectly good - probably better -quality made homes that have extreemely high quality features (big or small) instead of save things? Why do we have to distroy and consume at the pace that we do?and then replace with moderate quality? Why can't we try to save and treasure? I GUARANTEE you Streetcar Suburbanite--- under the ornamentaL glaze, it's not the same old wooden box - because they do not make houses like they used to anymore! I don't care how modest this one is!! I know because I've seen the it first hand from when the hole was dug till the roof was put on.

  25. Jefferson

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    Mar 20th 2007, 10:50

    Lucia - You ask why so we tear down perfectly good and probably better qulaity made homses ... instead of saving things? That's a good question and I can't answer does but maybe Pano G can. Remember the Atwater House?

  26. DMD

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    Mar 20th 2007, 11:19

    bradon...I certainly am no hero. I just fell in love with an incredble house and poured myself into creating a home. What had happened to me during that time was I discovered a neighborhood. People just as passionate as me, who love the area and the homes they perserve. Lucia was dead on. Even if my house was only a shell, it is still better made, has better craftsmanship and outshines 99% of all that newer housing stock. My house has lasted 130 years. I am here to see it go another century. What ever neighborhood you were refering to that "blow this one away", will they still have the integrity that these houses do? Will someone 130 yrs from now love them just as much? If so, great! Honestly, I love having new people move into my area. Recently, it has been people who see these houses alot like me. And that makes me very happy. So the water is great! In fact I can see it from my house!

  27. Balth

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    Mar 20th 2007, 14:22

    Amen Lucia. No one gets it. When someone builds a house in Orchard Park or whatever... what are those people actually paying for? Cheap building materials (dryvit, etc...)! The thing that I think drives people out there is false sense of safety, running away from ethnic groups, supposed better schools, more yard space. It all makes for sprawl and the eating up of resources of our planet. Not to mention the spreading around of government entities. Governments have to install utilities, build MORE schools (while Buffalo closes 2 schools a year), spread around police and firemen. IT ALL ADDS UP. I drive down Hudson street on my way home every day. It could be a really nice street and I think its really close to the tipping point that Pennsylvania street has already pushed over positively.

  28. Lucia

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    Mar 22nd 2007, 14:28

    To Jefferson,DMD and Balth:

    Thank you for your support. This is a subject that I feel excruciatingly passionate about.

    There is a true lack of appreciation by SOME (not all) of the people of the world for the small things, the old things, everything – the beautiful resources we have. The first thing those people think of is DEMOLISH. I see it on this site everyday – demolish the grain elevators, demolish the homes, etc. Those people want to demolish, tear down, destroy, consume, replace, over and over again. Tear down – destroy – throw it out - consume – Tear down – consume - use up more materials. They don’t realize the value of what we have and that SOME DAY OUR SUPPLIES WILL RUN OUT! Maybe it won’t run out for them but it will for their children or grandchildren. Perhaps if they grew up poor – where just having a good stick to toss around or a nice tree to climb was a thrill (like I did) - there would be more of an appreciation for the precious supplies we have and this wouldn’t be such a demolish world.

  29. Rebecca

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    Aug 27th 2007, 11:56

    I have interior pictures and an inspection report if anyone is interested.