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  1. chris69

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    Jul 18th 2007, 01:17

    Where is the President of Buffalo State.....and Councilman Golombek....have they heard of the redevelopment plans for the Pierce Arrow Complex?

    Now I wonder what other developments could happen if Buffalo State were to stop turning down their 10,000 applicants per year and grew their student population by 30% to 50%.

    As I said, it would change the face of Grant, Tonawanda and Amherst Streets...as well as Forest and Niagara.

    But I guess there is only so much that can be done by an unqualified patronage appointment....that needed to fill a quota for diversity....maybe if she just skipped a hair and nail appointment she might actually be able to think about something other than herself....like a 5 year plan for Buffalo State growth!

    and dont tell me about a sports stadium...how much of an increase in jobs and/or students are going to be created from the addition of a sports stadium....thats a quality of life issue....and if your turning down 10,000 applications per year....you would be a moron to refuse to think about how to grow your college!

  2. aka_mouse

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    Jul 18th 2007, 03:27

    As a BuffState student, this is exactly the type of area I want to live

  3. bobbyraz49

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    Jul 18th 2007, 07:11

    WOW !!! Turning away 10,000 students ? If this indeed is true....WAKE UP Buff State!!! If I sold anything, and there was more of a demand than supply....I would make more of my product.

  4. Jas

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    Jul 18th 2007, 07:53

    The president of Buff State is a waste! She has a goldmine of a property adjacent to the campus (Richardson Complex) and has strongly expressed that the college will have nothing to do with it, except maybe tear down the smaller structures and pave the land for more parking. Time to petition for a new president. This is a great opportunity for Buffalo to grow by accepting more students.

  5. icecreamsub

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    Jul 18th 2007, 08:14

    This sounds like a perfect fit. There can’t possibly be anyone or anything that can get in the way of this project. This area has everything a student could want within close proximity (grocery store, bowling, hamburgers , BBQ, thrift shop, porn etc)

  6. al-alo

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    Jul 18th 2007, 08:39

    lets not forget this complex is on the national register of historic places. can you say historic tax credits?

    did you know that the belt railway station was directly north of the complex? i know you wonderd why those stairs were on elmwood seemingly going to nowhere. its ok. i did too. i wont tell. I say we need to renew service on this line! connect to metro rail at amherst st, the zoo, parkside, hertel, the park to the westside and elmwood.

    as soon as buff state gets those extra 10000 kids in there, they can reinvigorate all those neighborhoods, just like elmwood.

    ---

    one other bonus of the p-a complex: the proximity to nudie stores!

  7. Denizen

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    Jul 18th 2007, 10:01

    I call BS on BuffState turning down 10,000 applicants a year. I'd like to see some factual evidence backing up that seemingly baseless claim. Anyone who has been around here long enough knows to take Chris69's rants with a grain of salt.

    Back on topic....great project. Let's hope this actually gets done. I've been eyeing the Pierce Arrow for quite awhile seeing its potential. One suggestion that would be an awesome idea....please incorporate a complex of musician/band practice spaces into the sprawling warehouse sections in the back. There are very few practice space rentals in the city and having some so close to where a lot of musicians live would be ace.

  8. Biniszkiewicz

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    Jul 18th 2007, 10:03

    Great re-use. I'd been trying to get this site for a client of mine, but it's been tied up under contract for more than a year. The location, right between Elmwood and Delaware and a short walk to Delaware Park (and the most expensive homes in the city), is spot on ideal for residential development. Doesn't have to be all kids. There's room to go upscale. I picture some big condos (3,000-5,000 square feet). With a southern view facing toward Delaware Park, the top floor could be very attractive to condo buyers who need more space than most condos offer. Imagine this complex reskinned a la LCo. Glad to see the complex get into good hands.

    al-alo: ditto on the train. didn't know that about the stairs. Thanks.

    wcp: do you know the sale price? I heard somewhere in the $4 million range, but don't know details. With 1,000,000 s.f., that's $4/ft.to buy. If you (as buyer) decided 60% of the complex was crap that needed demolition, you'd still be in the deal for only $10/ft. to buy, plus demo costs. Demo enough in back (toward the train tracks) and you could have parking plus green space back there and then you could develop the current parking lot (on Great Arrow through to Elmhurst) into more residential. I can find a million ways to spend other people's money. Good to see someone with experience and money purchase. Great buy!

  9. Biniszkiewicz

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    Jul 18th 2007, 10:08

    forgot one more reputed benefit of this site: There's some not too large environmental issue which needs remediation. My understanding is that it's a relatively small contamination issue (a few hundred thousand dollars of remediation expected). But that actually benefits the owner. It seems environmental tax credits (in addition to historic tax credits al-alo mentions) may be available for any project here, despite the relatively small amount of remediation needed. Not an expert, just reporting what I've heard from seemingly reputable sources.

  10. Hospitable

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    Jul 18th 2007, 10:12

    I'd imagine its got a perfect open floor plan for student housing and mixed development... another hopefull check to the win column!

  11. Hoss

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    Jul 18th 2007, 10:18

    Hopefully the Casino Carer Training Center currently located there doesn't put up a fight. http://www.nycasinoschool.com/

    Getting that train line going sounds like a fantastic idea. Looking at google maps, connecting this line with the Main St. one is a no- brainer. Hook it up to the airport and we will be a bona fide city.

    Maybe buying that empty strip mall behind the OTB on Delaware would be a wise investment about now.

  12. STEEL

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    Jul 18th 2007, 10:20

    Student housing on the Elmwood hotel site would be sweet justice

  13. Denizen

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    Jul 18th 2007, 10:31

    Maybe buying that empty strip mall behind the OTB on Delaware would be a wise investment about now.

    Yeah, after you wrestle it out of Benderson's cold, dead hands.

  14. al-alo

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    Jul 18th 2007, 10:42

    actually i forgot to mention the line should continue downtown.

    the whole belt line route originally enciricled the city (i guess obviously). you can see evidence of the stations all along the route. there is even an existing station near amherst & starin (i think).

    but a slight variance of the right of way would connect buff state to north buffalo west side downtown route.

  15. nagowski

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    Jul 18th 2007, 10:51

    Chris69 is correct, Buffalo State could probably grow their student population by 30% to 50%.

    Buffalo State has an enrollment of roughly 11,000 students. In 2006, 10,000 students applied for admission, of which roughly 5,000 were accepted and 3,000 enrolled. Presumably, Buffalo State could increase their acceptances to a level where 4,000 incoming students would enroll each year, increasing total enrollment to maybe 15,000 or so. How much they would have to lower their admissions standards to do this, I don’t know.

    Data here: http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cool/

    But Buffalo State is pretty much an awful neighbor to the Elmwood and Grant Street neighborhoods. Compare the Forbes Avenue neighborhood in Pittsburgh with Pitt and CMU to Grant Street and the difference is like night and day.

  16. STEEL

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    Jul 18th 2007, 11:49

    A note to those who are commenting on Buff State enrollment. A 50% acceptance rate is not that good. Top colleges accept 10% or less. To advocate that the college lower its standards is silly talk. Raise the standards and raise the prestige first.

  17. MCPitman

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    Jul 18th 2007, 12:41

    nagowski is right on with his comments on Pittsburgh. Just goes to show what a critical mass of students living and studying WITHIN the city limits will do for the surrounding neighborhoods. In Pittsburgh, Shadyside, Oakland, Squirrel Hill and beyond are all dense, vibrant, urban neighborhoods with all kinds of amenities within walking distance.

  18. sbrof

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    Jul 18th 2007, 12:56

    Bringing this building online with people would be huge to bringing the northern section of Elmwood alive. You would no longer need to cater to those with cars like it currently does and could start to infill site along the strip (at least south of Hertel) with nicer, more urban buildings.

  19. NBJOHN

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    Jul 18th 2007, 13:32

    Would anyone know who owns the lot @ Hertel and Elmwood? Always wondered why that plot has never been looked at for much... But back to the PA building - Just seems like this would extend the Elmwood Villiage. More people walikng and assist businesses along that stretch.

  20. al-alo

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    Jul 18th 2007, 14:00

    john et al:

    i think these are the owners:

    JFD HOLDINGS L.P. (see http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/applications/propertyinformation/PropOwner.aspx?lid=2207)

    anybody ever heard of them, they seem to own much of this intersection. the only co i could find was in cali. and i couldnt find a local # in the phone book. whom ever they are, they seem to have that block locked up. hmmmmmm.

  21. Chrissy

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    Jul 18th 2007, 14:57

    It seems a bit silly to criticize Buff State for "turning away 10,000 applicants." Whatever connotations come to mind as far as prestige (or lack thereof) goes, it's not a bad school, and college is college. Some people don't get in. When it comes to schools, numbers are of enormous importance, across the board. A lower acceptance rate, whether it be in the 40s or 20s, impresses people, it says a lot (obviously much more when it comes to top universities with shrinking acceptance percentages) about the quality of the school. Accepting more students simply to bulk up the student population in the city makes no sense for the college. The fact that Buff State is "turning students away" is really something to be applauded for the most part. It shows a strengthening applicant pool, and thus a stronger student body, and in turn, especially in the long run, ideally, a better school. And regardless of what an increasing acceptance rate would say about Buff State, cities are not built on students alone. College students can do a lot for a local economy, but most have a shelf life as far as making a real impact. Of course, our goal would be to keep them around to add real growth to the city beyond graduation, but a realistic sense of faith should be put into what an extra 10,000 students would add.

    More on topic, using Pierce Arrow for student housing seems like an awesome idea.

  22. GraphicRage

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    Jul 18th 2007, 16:21

    I think a reconnection of the Metro Rail with service to Buff State, UB and the suburbs would be the single most invigorating thing for this city. I hope it will happen sometime in my lifetime. The Depew Amtrak station could be used as a park and ride, similar to the Park and Rides I've seen in Queens (NYC) and subrubanites could park there and ride the rail to work. It drops off right behind HSBC tower at Exchange station. Think of all the freed up parking spaces and reduction of emissions. I've fantasized that if I ever became a millionaire, I would bequeath my wealth to the city when I died for this sole purpose! So many friends have visited from other cities and are truly in shock at our lack of train service.

  23. Andrew

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    Jul 18th 2007, 16:54

    Sweet! Condos? The $100K range came to mind immediately, at least that’s what I and apparently everyone else on this site wants to see. And yeah the corner of Elmwood and Hertel is hideous w/ that porn shop and empty lot and closed doughnut shop. Something you wouldn’t think to see and the intersection of two of the best streets in the city.

  24. DumpsterKid

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    Jul 18th 2007, 18:06

    I thought housing for this , i go to UB and would still live here.

  25. justinsane22

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    Jul 18th 2007, 18:28

    What's up? I've been reading BRO for some time now and man, am I impressed with this site. Very cool and passionate people in this city. My wife and I are looking forward to moving back to Buffalo in September from TX after a 5 year stint with the Army. Believe me, living in the south is not what it's cracked up to be--a heck of a lot of driving and living in faceless gated communities. Southern hospitality is a myth too; at least in this part of TX. I've always been attracted to Buffalo for its architecture and unique history. One of my long term goals is to restore an old house, or building and maybe even make a living out of it once my pockets get deeper. Anyway, I think you guys do great work and I look forward to contributing to this great city and hopefully meeting you all in the near future!

  26. queenseyes

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    Jul 18th 2007, 20:13

    Justin, when you get back home give me a shout - newell@buffalorising.com

  27. Weezer

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    Jul 18th 2007, 20:18

    Buffalo State would be wise to expand the campus and academic programs gradually to accomodate additional enrollment. This can happen without compromising educational quality; in fact, Buff State can be more choosy from an academic standards perspective because demand is hot. The UB 2020 model is a good start. Increasing student enrollment by say 5,000 over the next ten years with a strategic focus on a quality campus tied to the Richardson Complex and on adjacent neighborhoods would be a huge benefit to the city.

  28. tonyarmani

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    Jul 18th 2007, 23:22

    With great additions to all of the academia housing, it might be time to start thinking of adding a new college, maybe something i v y......

  29. reeferwannabe

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    Jul 19th 2007, 10:00

    Does anyone know what amenities will be available for student’s onsite?

  30. stargazer

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    Jul 19th 2007, 11:59

    PERFECT!!! other cities do it It's about time Buffalo got on the bandwagon Now let's get the Richardson Complex done!!!!!!