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  1. al-alo

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    Mar 6th 2008, 16:10

    i bet you could do a cool museum with a grain elevator . . .

  2. flyguy

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    Mar 6th 2008, 16:23

    Fantastic concept for the waterfront and pretty unique as well. This place should have some pull if it comes together to bring out of town tourist interest and nicely complement the inner harbor venues that are coming together.

  3. STEEL

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    Mar 6th 2008, 16:23

    Right on Al-alo

  4. flyguy

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    Mar 6th 2008, 16:27

    Would be pretty cool to see a building like that projecting into the water. I can only hope they also have underwater windows to show visitors the weather below the weather above. Would be cool to see native fish swim by and really pay tribute to the water resources and the source of much of Buffalo's weather off lake erie.

  5. davvid

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    Mar 6th 2008, 16:31

    Whoa! Is there any more info on that rendering? Is that calatrava?

  6. mbhxam

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    Mar 6th 2008, 16:31

    If they decide to do it and expect it to bring in people from outside of the region, they better make it first-class and putting it in fortress like grain house ain't going to cut it...

  7. PaulBuffalo

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    Mar 6th 2008, 16:32

    The white building in the illustration above is amazingly similar in a number of respects to the Santiago Calatrava extension of the Milwaukee Museum that has been a magnet for tourism there. I would be interested to read more about this stunning BWEC design.

  8. mbhxam

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    Mar 6th 2008, 16:33

    the proposed bulding looks AWESOME btw...

  9. NBJOHN

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    Mar 6th 2008, 16:52

    Wow - kind of impressed

    Buffalo has the tendecy of "screwing up a free lunch" - granted this is not free, but we need this

  10. RealityCheck

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    Mar 6th 2008, 16:53

    The building pictured is by Calatrava the Ciutat de les Arts i les Ciències in Valencia, Spain - its not a rendering

  11. Brette

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    Mar 6th 2008, 17:00

    LOL on the cartoon drawings! Swear I saw them in Perry Bible Fellowship! Especially the one with the tornado about to Hoover up all the people attending. That would definitely qualify as an experience. Now we know why Nicholas Gurewitch is ending his strip. He's busy working on BWEC!

  12. PaulBuffalo

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    Mar 6th 2008, 17:03

    Thank you for the info, RealityCheck. I hope that the BWEC has the ability to reach for a world-renowned architect.

  13. carlmalone

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    Mar 6th 2008, 17:04

    I didn't see "lawsuit filed" in the timeline. Was this just an oversight?

  14. davvid

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    Mar 6th 2008, 17:07

    Thanks for the reality check RealityCheck. I'm sort of bummed now though.

  15. BfloHighRise

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    Mar 6th 2008, 17:14

    I would love to see an exhibit / attraction similar to the "Twister" show at Universal Studios

  16. BfloHighRise

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    Mar 6th 2008, 17:15

    I would love to see an exhibit / attraction similar to the "Twister" show at Universal Studios

  17. chris69

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    Mar 6th 2008, 18:10

    Id like to see the same momentum for a new convention center at the Ohio Basin, for the bicycle museum, for the move of the Niagara Aerospace Museum to Buffalo, to the Presidential (Cleveland, Fillmore, McKinley & Roosevelt) Museums and the reconstruction of key historical narratives of our great city like LaSalles Griffon, Perrys Navy Command Ship defending the Great Lakes, Fort Porter, etc.

  18. carl

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    Mar 6th 2008, 18:11

    if the Valencia city of science is the caliber of museum they are going for.....they could do much worse....

    i hope this group is successful....

  19. Charger

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    Mar 6th 2008, 18:26

    I hate to be negative (no really), but I think there is something intellectually dishonest about using an image of another institution's existing building in one's publicity. No one would be more thrilled to see a Calatrava building in Buffalo than I would, so I am happy that someone at BWEC has the sensibility to steal this design instead of something else, but this doesn't bode well for this enterprise.

  20. Texpat10

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    Mar 6th 2008, 19:16

    I really wish that BR would make it clear when a site plan or any sort of rendering is either not the project itself or is merely conceptual. I know that in this case the pilfered design come directly from BWE but it seems like posters on here are always confused as to what is and what is not an actual project rendering.

  21. sbrof

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    Mar 6th 2008, 20:33

    well if they are in the beginning stages of a program development it doesn't hurt to get ideas about the class and quality of world renowned buildings to apur peoples interests and have some ideas researched before hiring an architect. If they put up the a pictures of a grain silo, or some bland museum they wouldn't get the same kind of feeling. Obviously the views from waters edge are some of the strongest weather related views you can get. Storms fronts, the gusts of wind and snow whipping over the ice etc etc This building, while not their design, is hinting at the kind of structure that they might invision once they have a better understanding of what needs to happen and where.

    I would only call it dishonest if they didn't somewhere on the original banner post where the building is and the architect.

  22. styler

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    Mar 6th 2008, 20:37

    Yes. Items like a pirated rendering lend suspicion to the 'breakneck pace' described in the article. It is absolutely imparitive that this center become the premier venue of its kind. No doubt other cities (New Orleans) are working on similar ideas. Sure the Buffalo Zoo is nice for the people who live here, but the San Diego zoo actually draws tourists (who may not be interested in 1920's architecture) from other states.

  23. Texpat10

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    Mar 6th 2008, 22:31

    Hi sbrof. I don't disagree that it is fine to get an idea of what something might look like as long as it is very clear that the rendering presented is conceptual. Over and over people get into these long discussions about site plans or a design that isn't even being considered for a certain project. It is great to stimulate discussion and interest but people should really know the actual state of affairs. I may have missed something but I don't see anything on the BWE flyer saying that this design is for a museum somewhere else.

    Finally, I like this design but I think Calatrava is a little overdone these days. He is like Michael Graves and his Target housewares. Overdone and not terribly cutting edge any longer....

  24. BuffaloSoldier

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    Mar 6th 2008, 22:45

    Thank God that Buffalo has motivated people like those pushing the BWEC. This project - while lofty - is practical and holds a lot of potential.

    Hopefully it will not meet that same delayed fate of the Niagara Experience Center. Although I believe the BWEC is being pushed by more intelligent people than the NYS bureaucrats in NF.

  25. RealityCheck

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    Mar 6th 2008, 22:49

    The fact that the image is not a rendering or proposed design for the museum and is in fact an image of an already built museum should have been disclosed - as presented it was highly misleading as evidenced by the reactions of fellow readers above. As far as Calatrava goes, I agree with Texpat he's a bit overdone and also I'm sure overpriced maybe we could find someone of Toshiko Mori's caliber for the design!

  26. davvid

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    Mar 6th 2008, 23:30

    Texpat and RealityCheck are right on.

    also, an open design competition could be nice. It would generate publicity, educate the Buffalo public about the state of architecture, and produce a wide range of innovative proposals for a highly qualified jury to choose from.

  27. RisingDamp666

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    Mar 7th 2008, 00:03

    Mr Calatrava would be more than happy to contribute to Buffalo's rich architectural inventory. A facility like the one in Valencia would only cost about $300 million. So what's it worth to promote Buffalo's weather?

  28. magnum

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    Mar 7th 2008, 00:56

    " So what's it worth to promote Buffalo's weather? " Good question, and I bet(sadly) you are the first to ask. Wasn't there some talk about an aquarium? The world's largest aquarium is in Atlanta and they recently drained a number of exhibts due to the water shortage. Given our abundance of H2O, maybe we could capitalize on one of our biggest strengths and open an aquarium showcasing the great lakes and ITS weather. And if Bass Pros does ever make it here, it would be a good fit.

  29. magnum

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    Mar 7th 2008, 00:57

    " So what's it worth to promote Buffalo's weather? " Good question, and I bet(sadly) you are the first to ask. Wasn't there some talk about an aquarium? The world's largest aquarium is in Atlanta and they recently drained a number of exhibts due to the water shortage. Given our abundance of H2O, maybe we could capitalize on one of our biggest strengths and open an aquarium showcasing the great lakes and ITS weather. And if Bass Pros does ever make it here, it would be a good fit.

  30. magnum

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    Mar 7th 2008, 00:59

    So many double posters, must be because youe server is so slow :)

  31. MikeJW

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    Mar 7th 2008, 10:11

    I don't really care much for this idea. I'd rather see a group trying to put together funding for a world class aquarium on the waterfront.

  32. atypical

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    Mar 7th 2008, 10:37

    Say good bye to the Buffalo Museum of Science...

  33. bison716

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    Mar 7th 2008, 11:02

    I love the idea! Hopefully this plan keeps moving ahead and a great design comes into play. An aquarium on the waterfront is also a great idea that should get noticed.

  34. MJWorthington

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    Mar 7th 2008, 12:31

    a building remenicent of snow drifts would be grand ;)

    This a cool unique idea. Especially with eveyone talking about global warming/extreme weather these days.

    Could sponsership/naming rights from say "The Weather Channel" or Discovery Channel be obtained?

    In anyways could this be tied in to local universities (UB's earthquake center) etc?

  35. rb66

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    Mar 7th 2008, 13:37

    This is a great idea. We need to capitalize on what we have. We all know Buffalo has weather.

    This would be an oustanding attraction on the waterfront. Imagine a room that simulates a blizzard. You put on your winter gear, enter the room and BAM, a blizzard.

    Al Roker would have a blast! :)

    GET IT DONE!

  36. eaeaea

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    Mar 7th 2008, 18:56

    So I don't really get the why the people from BWEC decided to use the top picture (picture of the Ciutat de les Arts i les Ciències in Valencia, Spain) sort of in a random fashion. Do they really think people in Buffalo are that stupid to think that this is some sort of a "suggested plan" for the weather museum? Have they even contacted the architect for his permission to use the photograph without identifying it properly? This whole endeavor, in my opinion, looks like a highly amateurish production poorly organized by a highly unqualified group of people.

  37. RisingDamp666

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    Mar 8th 2008, 13:20

    Eaeaea, it's just aspirational stuff, like a suburban development outside Beijing with a 1/20 th scale replica of the Eiffel Tower in the middle of a pond. It means nothing.

  38. Matthewjohnp

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    Mar 9th 2008, 17:50

    This is just %$#$%^& stupid!

  39. chris69

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    Mar 9th 2008, 18:30

    I just wish that Buffalo could be as forward thinking technologically in private sector industry as we are backward looking preservationists. Dont get me wrong, I think there is alot to save, restore and reconstruct but there is also alot of modernity to learn, embrace and apply as well.

  40. hamp

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    Mar 9th 2008, 18:41

    You can thank the "backward looking preservationists" for the big National Trust convention coming to town, and for much of the good press the city gets.

    And don't forget Sheas, the Martin House, the Cobblestone District, the Larkin District, the Richardson Buildings, the Guaranty Building, Allentown, Elmwood Avenue, the Central Terminal, Michigan Avenue, Richmond Ave, The Market Arcade, Statler, Delaware Ave. etc,, etc, etc,

  41. laf

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    Aug 27th 2008, 16:22

    It seems like a step in the right direction for Buffalo. Hopefully they implement some green building techniques such as a green roof ( to reduce run off), and power it by wind or solar energy. It would be such a waste to build such a massive structure that takes a massive amount of resources to maintain. A building committed to education in weather/natural disasters should do everything it can to raise awareness about future climate change as well as promoting sustainability.