Action Meeting

On his 60th day in his new office, Commissioner of Economic Development, Permit and Inspection Services Brian Reilly called a meeting at Belmont Shelter's offices, 1195 Main Street, last night in order to ask the question: How Can We Maximize the Local Economic and Social Capital Impacts of Buffalo’s Vacant and Abandoned Residential Properties? The neighborhoods in question run from Main Street to Jefferson Avenue and Best Street to Kensington Avenue, and are best known as the Masten Park, Hamlin Park and Cold Spring areas.
Reilly billed the meeting as an opportunity in which "Issues and opportunities for supporting the future of Buffalo’s housing and creating value in our neighborhoods" would be discussed. Saying it was time to make time for people to talk, Reilly promised regular meetings like this one.
Proving to have a good understanding of the people in town most apt to create a think tank for a project of this scope, Reilly invited a veritable "who's who" among housing and neighborhood advocacy.
He looked for people with "the experience, connections, resources and passion we need to change this city and create new housing value for the future of Buffalo." Reilly also stated, "We are a diverse community of implementers and doers."
The meeting of approximately 50 people began with a facilitator asking people to write their neighborhood issues on a piece of paper and then put that paper on the wall. From there, a post-it designating an area within Bethel was put on the paper, and people willing to be part of that discussion group went to that area.
There were two 45-minute sessions, so that people could change focus groups, or they could go from group to group to glean a little from each one. There were staff members from Reilly's office in each group, and notes will be written up and distributed to each attendee from each of these groups (more to come from BRO).
Vacant lots, homesteading, foreclosure prevention, quality of life issues, land banking, house mothballing and renovation, tool lending and jobs were issues that were discussed. Though people in the room and within groups were aware of each other in most cases, this was a first opportunity for many to sit down and get into the nitty-gritty of shared issues, lending strength in numbers. The next phase will likely bring community members to the table for input and implementation of future plans concerning these focus issues.
It's a new way of doing business in the city, and establishes Reilly as someone willing to hear concerns and work toward goals. The more the right people push the boulder in the right direction, the more likely we are to see positive results.
Those involved in the start-up meeting were:
Mayor Byron Brown
City of Buffalo, Economic Development Department
Councilmember Demone Smith
Belmont Shelter CDC
Local Initiatives Support Corporation (LISC)
Buffalo ReUse
Councilmember Brian Davis

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Quijibo
Buffalo is sitting on a great opportunity to bring in people from across the country by offering inexpensive housing and opportunity to those who are suffering from the financial crisis. We should dedicate tax dollars and private funds, potentially from a tax on suburban homes over 3,000 square feet, to fund construction and remediation of the blighted and abandoned homes in Buffalo. These hoomes would be marketed to those Americans who are suffering hardships at the hands of greedy corporations and unscrupulous mortgage brokers.
Entice these people to move here, let them bring their specialized skills, trades, and businesses to Western New York. Give them incentives to open new businesses and to make Buffalo their home. This would be a much better use of our tax dollars than bailing out greedy executives and the cronies of Congress.
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PaulBuffalo
Quijibo, the US and the world is in the midst of the worst financial crisis since the Depression and you think Buffalo can magically dedicate tax dollars (from suburbanites?) and find private funds to 'entice' folks to move to the second-poorest city in the country? I can appreciate your concern for the poor, but turning Buffalo into a metropolitan kibbutz is not a possibility that would be taken seriously.
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Geomike
Quijibo - I agree with your sentiment. The company I work for brings in employees from all over the world, and the majority of them are shocked at our housing affordability, quality of life and great sense of community and place that we have. It may not be new tax dollars that are needed, but redirection from other programs that aren't working, but have the same goal. It's about thinking smarter and long-term about what we need to do rebuild these city communities. We complain about our taxes being high here, and that's undeniable. But, here's a question we should all consider: Would you rather pay less in taxes, drop a ridiculus amount of money on an oversized house in Charlotte, Boston, Atlanta that you then have to furnish, but have worse schools and local services? Or would you rather have reasonably priced housing, and pay higher taxes but have your raods plowed, have safe communities, and have a fairly stable economy (we're not about to potentially lose 20,000 employees like Charlotte is with Wachovia). I've looked at living in other cities that are more metropolitan, and they can't take Buffalo on affordability of living here, and the cost of living we have, and that all goes to quality of life (oh and I like my 15-20 min "commute" to work too).
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Andrew
I like how they are focusing on one small area. Better an entire stable border community than randomly plucking away at a house on the east side here and a house on the west side there. Though I would have preferred if they were focusing on the west side. It has more hope and potential in my opinion.
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Keith
Quijibo, You would just drive out the suburbanites too.
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blackrocklifer
I think Quijibo is on to something here, the economic crisis and high cost of oil could shift population and development back into the city. Sprawl is just too expensive and we all pay the price that benefits the few.
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al-alo
PaulBuffalo said:
". . .you think Buffalo can magically dedicate tax dollars (from suburbanites?) and find private funds to 'entice' folks to move to the second-poorest city in the country?"
Paul,
I would argue that poor land use policies and lack of sound urban planning are currently subsidizing sprawl.
basically, if it costs $30 to $125k (just a guess as every one will be different) to rehab a house, its a bargain (i also imagine some of that capital would be recaptured at the time of sale). with a rehab, there are no hidden costs that the county or municipality would have to bear, unlike with a new build in an exurb.
lets face it, whether you are talking about the costs associated with maintaining a far flung transportation infrastructure; new schools, municipal buildings or water treatment plants; sheriffs road patrols, snow removal or postal service; or utilities that must create new (but not ADDITIONAL) capacity - we all pay for it.
cities, much of the inner ring suburbs, or even some of the older small towns with traditional "main streets" do not require additional municipal investment when a home is rehabbed. these units are just reincorporated into the larger system.
but to suggest it is unfair to reinvest in city housing stock at the price of new builds is a bit hypocritical, since suburbs have had money flowing their way since the GI home loans and the interstate highway system created them in the late 1940's and 1950's
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PaulBuffalo
Al-alo, I'm all for reinvestment in any city's housing and I'm not a fan of suburbs (but I don't blame the suburbs for everything that ails Buffalo). I agree with you that western New York has poor land use policies.
Quijibo's idea to specifically tax certain suburban residents in order to pay for the rehabilitation of the city's housing stock is far-fetched. Why weren't big homes within the city included in Quijibo's sights, too? I'm all for Quijibo's desire to entice residents to Buffalo, but the best way to do that is to form a metropolitan government that includes all of Erie County in order to streamline government and reduce operating costs. I'm shocked that citizens in the area are not forcefully pushing for that to happen. If a metropolitan form of government were in place, then comprehensive land use policies could be executed.
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al-alo
Paul,
i dont know. not that im all sold on a hypothetical idea, but taxing a behavior that you want to discourage seems like one common governmental leverage point. ie, want to discourage smoking, tax cigs. however, my point is more that subsidies have been a bit omnidirectional for the last 50+ years.
the major difference, is these subsidies have historically much less overt than Quijibo's.
on another note, i would suggest that after a project like this was given some seed funding, there wouldnt a huge need for a taxpayer subsidy or donations. smart choices and a sound business plan could enable a nonprofilt with marginal overhead to come close to breaking even, as the sales from the homes could return a substantial portion of the investment.
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AtwaterLouse
PaulBuffalo: '...I'm all for Quijibo's desire to entice residents to Buffalo, but the best way to do that is to form a metropolitan government that includes all of Erie County in order to streamline government and reduce operating costs. I'm shocked that citizens in the area are not forcefully pushing for that to happen...'
First, for better or worse, that's not going to happen - mainly because a lot of city residents want to feel represented by urban politicians and won't want to cede a lot of political power to the big majority (70%) of Erie Co. residents who live outside the city and risk occasionally falling under Republican governing. Also residents outside the city would be leery of having to fund the city political machine.
Second, even if it happened there's no reason to think it would make much reduction in operating costs, most of which are personnel (salaries, benefits, pensions) for non-magangement public employees who would still be needed in roughly the same numbers as now. Police, fire, teachers, parks workers, highway and public works, etc., etc. A smaller number of politicains and administrators would be nice but just doesn't make up a big percent of the budgets when all added together. I'm not saying it wouldn't be worth doing, but the upside seems exaggerated a lot.
Third, even if it did amazinigly happen, and if it did somehow make a serious reduction in operating costs, there's no reason to think that would entice a lot of people in the suburbs decide to move in the city as Paul says it would. Whatever reasons people currently have to live where they live would still exist. How would a municipal govt make someone want to move into the city who currently doesn't want to?
Other than all that it sounds like a great plan.
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plenish1
I have a dumb idea..........Let's reform Medicaid and free up some $$$$$$$ that funds irresponsibility. JUst a stupid thought!
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al-alo
plenish1,
i go you one better, lets get universal healthcare and we'll get rid of medicaid all together.
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plenish1
Alo,
Socialism is a bad idea! We have the best healthcare system in the world and by socializing it would ruin them prestige, if you will. Talk to anyone from Canada and they will tell how their system sucks!
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PaulBuffalo
AtwaterLouse, a metropolitan form of government doesn't guarantee that people will move to western New York, but a well-functioning regional government provides a sound and attractive environment for people and businesses. You can say that it will never happen in Buffalo -- and, you may be right -- but, I like to remain optimistic. (In this economic climate, hard choices are inevitable and metropolitan government may be a necessity.) That would do more for the area than any tax scheme upon suburban residents.
Plenish1, the US has the best healthcare system to which over 40 million Americans have no access. Most bankruptcies in the US are due to people unable to afford their medical bills. Medical tourism -- in which Americans travel to foreign countries for medical procedures both major and minor -- has become increasingly popular for those here that cannot otherwise afford good medical care. While Canada's health system has its challenges -- like every country does -- Taiwan provides a good model of what is possible under universal healthcare. Germany has universal healthcare under a public/private combination. The US would be wise to look at plans from countries around the world and implement the components that makes sense for Americans.
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al-alo
plenish1,
Canadians may say it sucks, but i bet not one of them would switch it for ours.
and Canada isnt the only nation with universal healthcare, there a many man different models (ie the French, German, the English, Polish, Italian, Finnish, etc.). there is no reason to blindly adopt one particular country's methodology.
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ablejack
al-alo
Yeah, that would be a hard sell. Imagine some Canadian politician trying to run on the "I promise to take your healthcare away and replace it with a costly in-crowd insurance racket like the US" platform. Once a nation enacts a universal healthcare plan, it seems only a coup would displace it.
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plenish1
Alo,
I know of several Canadian's who come over to the US to get better care. There complaints are due to long waits and lack of experts in the medical community! Its the same with socializing the banking industry. Without the free market, all of the brilliant minds will be gone due to no incentive. Granted we are dealing with the corruption issue right now, it is still the truth
Paul you are correct that there are 40 million without heathcare but that is for good reason. We as a society punish productivity and subsidize irresponsibility. I own a some property in the city and have tried sec 8 and got a good education on our societey's problem. They abuse their utility use, sell food stamps for drugs, and one tenant of mine never was able to pay the rent but she has a 60 inch tv. Those 40 million are entitlement seekers. That's the problem. Government is supposed to monitor, not be the caretaker.
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AtwaterLouse
Paul - I see what you're saying about metro govt efficiencies making WNY at least less unattractive. However I just don't think it would make the city more attractive compared to the burbs more than the current set up - which I think was what was suggested, but sorry if I misunderstood your previous comment.
The optimism vs. pessimism doesn't seem relevant to me. Political views of city residents in general are very anti-suburb. Of the nine common council districts in the city, maybe one (Delaware) might approve a referendum to ceede political control to a metro govt in which city voters have a third of the power. The eight other districts, especially more economically struggling ones, I think would overwhelmingly want to keep an urban-elected local govt - mayor, council, city court. And that doesn't even consider resistance from suburban voters.
I agree with you that a tax scheme on the burbs is a bad idea that would drive even more people and business away from WNY. Suburban residents and businesses already see a lot of their very high NY state taxes spent on disproportionate transfers into the city via state aid to City Hall and to the Buffalo public schools. That's already plenty of wealth redistribution.
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PaulBuffalo
Plenish1, sorry, your statement that 40 million people without health insurance are entitlement seekers is not factual. Many working people are not offered health insurance through their employers and it is not affordable to many lower middle class people who work just as hard as anyone else. I'm sorry that you experienced difficulties with your tenants but that experience cannot be reflected upon 40 million people nationwide.
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PaulBuffalo
AtwaterLouse, my original discussion was not a city versus suburbs debate, but a reaction to Quijibo's suggestion regarding how to get people to move to Buffalo. I brought up metropolitan government as merely a 'clean the slate' and 'level the playing field' suggestion because I believe in it strongly. Western New York and all of New York State has far too many politicians -- and individually-governed towns and villages -- for its populace and it loses to other states that are run more efficiently. You may be right regarding the current local political climate, but governments across the US will face very tough economic choices and I don't see how western New York can discount the advantages of metropolitan government any longer.
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AtwaterLouse
Yep I get it now, you were responding to Q's city vs burbs with a constructive different idea re metro govt.
Metro govt could be a good idea in many ways, although the percent of govt budgets spent on politicians and administrators isn't near the top of the list of expendatures. Way-above-average spending on entitlements and public employee worker bees are much bigger amounts. I suspect in NYS even if the politicians could be cut down to 10% of how many htere are now, they'd still be making the same kinds of decisions about spending, taxing, mandates, business impediments, etc., and budgets would be pretty much the same as now. Root causes are mostly the anti-business, pro-taxation, pro-union, anti-privatization philosophies of most voters here. Politicians are an easy scape goat but my observation is they generally reflect what most NYS voters want.
Btw about your last sentence - WNY and NYS can discount the advantages of many things for a very long time. Just watch!
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Biniszkiewicz
plenish1: I dispute your claim that we have the best health care system in the world. By many measures it's demonstrably not so (infant mortality rates and life expectancy among them).
We do have the most expensive system in the world. 17% of our GNP, or one dollar out of every six, goes to the health care industry. The next most expensive system, Switzerland's, comes in at 11%. You may not like the Canadian system, but if they spent anywhere near as much as we do theirs would be spectacular. Canadians spend a little more than half what we do on health care, yet everyone is covered. No Canadian I know would take our system. They are appalled that you can lose your life's savings by getting ill here.
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