Reader Commentary: EVA and Women and Children's Hospital

By Roger Schroeder
The community-planning gathering hosted by the Elmwood Village Association on December 1, asked participants to 'vision' our blocks of the Elmwood Village. That block definition is loosely centered around Bryant and West Utica cross streets to help direct discussions.
While we tried to focus our visioning process on neighborhood-wide issues, we were constantly and obviously faced with the impact of our most significant neighbor, Women and Children's Hospital, and proposed hospital expansions. Many had attended specifically for that reason.
A majority of discussion centered around specific parts of the plans to add space and parking, with no real visuals of what was going where (searching later I could find no plans of the hospital's proposed expansion in the media). In many cases our planning process for large projects do not reach their potential because of a lack of alternative analysis (with visuals) to stimulate our best group thinking. This project has great potential to benefit or negatively impact all stake holders because of it scale and intimacy to the surrounding neighborhoods.
The ideas proposed are as follows:
1) A five story ambulatory on Elmwood where existing surface parking now defines the corner.
2) Construction of multi-story new parking ramp with overhead connection to the campus over Hodge.
3) Creation of residential lots along West Utica to replace an "out of place" business district, with additional parking lands reserved behind the existing ramp (for residents and hospital potential uses).
The "vision" idea is to create a compact, more intimate "urban" campus--tighter to itself and closer to the urban life of Elmwood. It is not a solution, but part of a process of alternative analysis with the hope of exposing the following opportunities:
Better for the users: Doctors staff and patients get better more exciting environment (better rents). Patients and Doctors get better vehicular and pedestrian access (to compete with suburban sites).
Better for the Image: Denser more upscale integrated urban design creates the image of a state of the art facility with a focused vision.
Better for the surrounding residential neighborhoods: Tight integration of the campus boundaries clarifies and enhances the edge and potential pleasing contrast between each other. The attractive aspects of this edge is enhanced and reinforced with landscaping, paving, signage and lighting.
This alternative will hopefully contrast significantly with existing plans and stimulate all parties to fully explore the potential of this great opportunity. If not, can someone please up the ante?
Image credits : The street photo and building rendering overlay are the work of the editorial's writer, Roger Schroeder.

Google image with overlay by Roger Schroeder.

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HelenGood
This looks very cool.
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flyguy
I would love to see something like that front on Elmwood. I think that would look great actually. ON another note I find it interesting that when Childrens wanted to move to the Medical Campus people fought hard to keep the hospital in its current site and now the proposed expansion is controversial? What did we expect?
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Zombo
The mock-up is nice, but that will not happen. WCHOB needs to have the center on the side of the hospital for its proximity to existing resources (via bridges). I would doubt that the hospital would be interested in potentially risking the well-being of children in favor of a few storefronts.
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rogerschroeder
Sorry there is a site plan referenced in the article not shown (I will try to get this added) that illustrates a Hodge Street drop off with overhead walkway linked to parking ramp.
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Joshua
Ok - here i go again. Does Elmwood need more store front spaces. Based on the elmwood village website: EV Available Business Locations there are about 30 or so store front that need to be filled. I'm not being negative, but realistic. There should be more of a focus to fill existing stores then worry about creating new store fronts. Yes, down the line this may prove to be successful but on the flip side there will be more vacant space, which would not look good.
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rogerschroeder
The intent was not to glut the market with storefronts. The retail here could contain amenities for both the Community and the Center, a coffee shop for this area, maybe a toy or children's store. Gross sq. footage can be mediated between first floor office and retail giving the chance to create a unique space for Elmwood (wide and shallow with lots of windows ... a dinner maybe.
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Willie1
Was this design done by the Architects from Toronto who are doing the new Gate Circle Condo Building? It's a beautiful addition to the Elmwood Village streetscape. Has the construction contracts been awarded? Is there a construction timetable? I can't wait. Good luck to Womens & Childrens on the nice project. Great job & there are no lawsuits !!!
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hamp
Great idea. A building fronting on Elmwood could still be connected to the hospital, either with overhead walkways or with an underground connection.
Regarding storefronts. There are many things that could go there, including doctor's offices that would be a lot better than what we have now. This is about a lot more than storefronts. A new building on this corner will help build back urban fabric that will add vitality to the street and the neighborhood.
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OutSideLookingIn
Quite a few of the vacancies listed on the website on Elmwood are for 2nd floor offices spaces. In addition many of the vacancies are for inferior spaces that are in a house vs. an actual retail storefront.
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scooter
There really isn't a lot of first floor, handicap accessible vacant store fronts on Elmwood, much of it is 2nd floor space thats been converted or less traditional, less useable space. This would be a very good edition to elmwood. It might even attract some national soft good retailers that would love to be on elmwood but haven't found a way to use 2nd floor space or non handicap accessible space.
I like this idea........
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tonyarmani
Joshua - you know what is good about extra store front spaces...price. Classic supply and demand, if the number of available spaces exceeds demand, price will change to meet the demand. You could setup a shop and sell your old baseball cards for $100/month rent payments!
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wizardofza
Who created this rendering?
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flyguy
How about a nice big rehabilitation center gym for patients of the hospital on the first floor fronting Elmwood? Might actually be uplifting to be nearer to the outside world with views on the bustle of Elmwood while undergoing rehab and physical therapy and the place wouldnt canabalize whatever exercise facilities are already in place for city residents on the outside. Just a thought.
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hodgepodge
building up the hospital on the elmwood side makes sense. but, the new parking ramp idea on Hodge -- where there are now three old and beautiful houses -- does not. according to the rendering, the new ramp would be built next to the old ramp (the City's ramp), which is next to the new massive surface parking lot. you literally would have parking on top of parking in a residential neighborhood. what gives?
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Metropolis
Build it and they will come.
I love the sketch up. Looks very positive. Much better than a parking lot.
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sbrof
hodgepodge i would look at the larger picture in this concept. Yes three older homes are being taken down but unfortunately they are are surrounded by the hospital or other ancillary structures (parking garage). No one likes to live with a 3 story parking garage out your back window and a hospital in front of you. The value on those properties have been dropping and proabbly is a very smart move to sacrifice them for the hospital to expand.
Also look at how Utica is given back to the residential fabric. Probably 10 houses (20 row houses) worth of space there. It would remove that horrid parking lot and plaza that have done nothing but wear away at the values on Utica over the years. Their old renderings and plans called for keeping this whole area parking. This plan calls for keeping some of it (fine..) but the important part is the fact that it is now hidden from the street front. It can be guarded, manicured and quite nice.
This proposal could also do a lot for creating a single place to park for Elmwood businesses in this area as well as the hospital. By putting a ramp on hodge you remove the need for the hospital to keep the city owned ramp providing for relief from what is a constant complaining of parking by suburbanites about Elmwood. the VERY sad truth is there are a lot of people who wont frequent anything on Elmwood because of parking. Now I hate parking, but opening up a ramp / with new signage . lighting and access to Elmwood via a beautiful pedestrian walk. Would really put and end to all those arguments for this area.
The only problem with this idea, was the loss of services building the new ambulatory building on the old one. that there is a gap where they wont have anything and I thought they said that was unacceptable. I would LOVE to be wrong about that because I think this plan is much better for the city than what the hospital is currently proposing.
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DanielSack
Roger's plan is a good start. WCH knows that the Elmwood Village Association has been advocating a building on the corner of Elmwood and Bryant for several years.
What Roger's plan doesn't take into account is that WCH plans to demolish the older buildings on the Hodge Street side and the "Annex" west of the Variety Tower on Bryant.
WCH will not say what they propose for the land between Hodge and Bryant after the buildings are demolished. Seeing as how they are buying up property in the neighborhood for parking it is easy to suspect they intend more surface lots there. Maybe Bryant Street can be more like West Utica!
EVA has proposed a staged construction and demolition scenario that would connect a new building, starting from Elmwood and Bryant, to the existing buildings. Such a design could incorporate underground parking, storefronts, and the Ambulatory Center. And it would have all the facilities physically closer together.
The ever sprawling parking lots on Hodge should be sold by WCH for residential development and the 4 houses on Hodge placed on the market.
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EricOak
The hospital allowed those houses to deteriorate to teh point of eyesore (which shows how thoughtful and conscientious a neighbor the hospital has been). They don't need to be razed. This concept is much better than the hospital's plan to build on Hodge.
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bison716
Nice! Hopefully this gets done. Keep it moving.
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Joshua
tonyarmani - interesting perspective. Although, there is already more supply than demand now. So, If I can get rent for $100/mo, I will set up my computer store, hire buffawhat for web design/hardware and someone else for programming and hardware and live there. A heck of a lot cheaper than what I am paying now!
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RisingDamp666
Just put a "Travelodge" sign atop the Ambulatory Center and the 'look' will be complete. (who designs this stuff?)
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rogerschroeder
How did you know I used a Travelodge for the model ?
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hodgepodge
sbrof: those three houses are valuable. heck, my assessment on the same street has skr-rocketed, and there is no doubt that those three could easily be renovated and be assessed at $200k. look at the 2 house on Bryant recently sold by the Hospital which have been renvoated. And, dsack, my friend, the Hospital has announced their plan for the property btwn Hodge/Bryant: yes, that's right, a surface parking lot. what gives?
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DanielSack
hodgepodge, I agree that the 4 houses on the north side of Hodge could be renovated and occupied. Though some believe the costs would be difficult to justify for residences with a parking garage in the back yard. Do you and your neighbors think the parking garage would not be an impediment to investment in those houses?
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RPreskop
I think that the planned five story ambulatory center for Womens and Childrens Hospital is a major architectural and aesthetic improvement for the northeast corner of Elmwood and Bryant. I love the sleek modern design and how it is integrated with the neighboring urban fabric. Great in-fill development for a hideous, empty lot.
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RisingDamp666
Well, you're kinda right, RPreskop.........but it still looks like an old Travelodge.
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